Going There: What Would YOU Say?

The idea for “Going There” came about as a result of the 31 Days In My Brown Skin series I wrote in October, 2012. (You can read those posts here.) The series generated a lot of valuable dialogue, and when the thirty-one days were over, it felt as if the conversation wasn’t done. So, I invite you to share your story as it relates to issues of race, ethnicity, and culture in your every day life.

The goal of “Going There” is to encourage ongoing dialogue about topics of race, ethnicity, and culture in a way that is thoughtful and that shows respect, with the goal of advancing our understanding of the beautiful diversity in the humanity that surrounds us. Interested in sharing your story? Start here. Today’s post is written by Rebecca Borger.

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I am a white woman with a 2 1/2 year old little boy. When we are out and about, my son will consistently point out the “brown” people. In Costco, at the playground, at the restaurant table next to us: “Mommy, see that brown man?” He still can’t identify his own skin color. Orange? Pink? He’s soundly rejected white, and I have to agree that our skin looks nothing like our printer paper!

We live in the Denver suburbs, where the African-American population is pretty low (especially compared to what I was used to in Atlanta, where I grew up), so he doesn’t see many black people, and we’d not had intentional talks about race and skin color before he started doing this about the time he turned two.

Given all of that, I think his comments are his expression of and interest in differences. I usually reply with, “Yes, I see him. Isn’t that beautiful that God made people with so many different colors of skin?” And we move on.

So my first question is, what do you think about my answer? What would you think if you were the person we were talking about? Maybe you have a story?

My former boss is black, and she said she wouldn’t be offended by him pointing it out. She suggested we include books and videos that feature people of color in his regular rotation to continue his exposure. (And Deidra suggested dolls of color.)

My boss also pointed out that the black community talks about race with their children from an early age, while white people tend to sweep race under the rug in a misguided effort to be colorblind. (Did you see this last spring?) Personally, I found my son’s “true color” descriptions thought-provoking, and haven’t yet introduced him to the labels “black” and “white”, but I think I need to do so. As he nears age three, he is beginning to talk about the concepts of differences, fairness, loving others, etc. it seems a perfect opportunity to begin race conversations.

Even as I still have much growing to do myself, I really want to raise my children with a godly perspective of race, and I look forward with gratitude to this conversation!

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RebeccaRebecca Borger grew up in Atlanta, and has lived in Denver for all of her adult life. She’s so grateful for being exposed to this contrast of cultures, as God has used the people in these very different places to expand her mind and heart. Rebecca formerly worked in the non-profit world at FRIENDS FIRST, Inc., contributing to teens’ relational health across Denver and the nation. She now chases a toddler son and coos at an infant daughter for a living, and loves it!

  • http://www.christiepurifoy.com Christie Purifoy

    My (white) daughter’s first baby doll was dark-skinned. We chose the doll we did because at that time we were living in a diverse inner-city neighborhood. We wanted our child to know that people are worth loving and nurturing whether or not they look like us. Looking back, I think we could have done more to talk openly with her about race. She certainly had a lot of questions over the years. Still, I think it was a good (if small) step to take.

  • Rebecca Borger

    Christie, I love your statement about teaching that “people are worth loving and nurturing whether or not they look like us.” Yes!

  • http://whoivealwaysbeen.blogspot.com Carolyn Counterman

    Our five-year-old granddaughter started commenting about color during the London Summer Olympics. We were watching one of many races when she pointed out that “all of the people running are brown”. I don’t remember what we said to her. I hope it wasn’t anything that would inhibit her, but I really don’t remember. I just remember my blonde-haired, hazel-eyed granddaughter noticing people who were different. I don’t think I would so much mind her pointing out differences in color while we are in public, but I have not figured out how to respond when she says – in her typically loud voice – that people are fat. I don’t want to shush her in a way that makes the supposed-fat-person feel shamed. I know there are probably ways to turn it around and have a positive conversation, but I never remember in the moment. I just freeze. I wasn’t taught how to deal with situations like that. I was just taught not to say things that might make people feel “different”. Doesn’t really help me celebrate differences, does it? I’m really enjoying this series and everything it is bringing up, but I see that I have a lot of work to do still.  

    • Carol J. Garvin

      I think it’s great that you’ve recognized (or your granddaughter has helped you recognize) that colour alone isn’t what makes people different. Our children attended a school that included interaction with mentally and physically challenged children from a nearby workshop. I remember one daughter saying, “Becca thinks different than I do. You and I think different from each other, too, don’t we?” I was thrilled she had reached the conclusion on her own that individual differences are widespread and not something that should single someone out in a negative way. I prefer to believe God created us all as unique beings.

  • Sara

    My (white) aunt is married to Rwandan man.  I have two young cousins (my cousins are the same age as my children) who have darker skin.  One of them, as a preschooler articulated his own schema–there were dark brown people, like Daddy, and light brown people like Mommy.  When another preschooler informed him that he (the other preschooler) was white, my cousin laughed.  ”White is like paper.  No one is white!”  

  • http://twitter.com/meganwillome Megan Willome

    I’ve also noticed that very young children will identify someone by a color, but they mean the color of clothing that person is wearing. 

    But here’s one that has surprised me. I grew up knowing the term “black” and later “African American.” I didn’t now that the term “brown” is also used. For a while, I was very confused because up until about age 25, I had only heard “brown” used with Latinos. Words–sometimes they fail.

  • http://www.janiscox.com/ Janis Cox

    Rebecca,
    I think we should be noticing everything in God’s world and the colour of skin is something we need to recognize and celebrate. I am “white” but my daughter bought her baby boy a doll with a dark skin. Their family meets people of many different races and colour where they live and my grandson will grow up knowing that God made all colours – just like the rainbow. We are all the same under Christ.
    Blessings and thanks for your thoughts,
    Janis

  • Daisha

    This is not an answer to your question, though I do agree with the suggestions your former boss made. I was reading Sara’s comment and literally laughed out loud. Really? Why do we call people white? White people are not the color of printer paper. I don’t know why we call African Americans black, unless of course they are black.

    When my son was in preschool I tried telling him that we were black people, to which he adamantly rejected my viewpoint. And to prove me wrong, he proudly pulled out the crayons from his pencil box to show me the difference between black & brown. From his viewpoint (the colors in his box) he was a brown boy and I could persuade him no differently.

  • Elise Daly Parker

    I love the conversation happening here. I do appreciate “going there” though it’s not always comfortable. I’ve raised my kids in the same town I lived in since I was 10. The current racial mix at our high school is 47% White, 44% Black, 5% Hispanic, and 4% Asian. Obviously, I live here on purpose, because I appreciate a mix of races and cultures. I don’t recall a lot of talk about various skin colors when my kids were little. It seemed they were colorblind and I thought that was a good thing. Maybe I was wrong…Good to think about!

    • Rebecca Borger

      Elise, the racial stats that you describe are similar to that of the high school I attended. Our stats were probably (rough guesstimate here) about 50% white, 30% black, 10% Latino, and 10% Asian. I clearly remember my elementary school counselor teaching us about the words “prejudice” and “stereotypes”, but other than that, the unspoken message from other adults in my life seemed to be that being colorblind was just fine. I took to heart the message that being colorblind was the “nice” thing to do. But I realize now that that perspective inhibited me from walking in others’ shoes and realizing just how hard it must’ve been to be in the minority. 
      Are your kids still at home? I’d encourage you to ask them questions and to communicate to them your thrill at living in a culturally and racially diverse community. I bet you’d have an eye-opening and interesting conversation!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1103139415 Lorretta Stembridge

    Oh, my heart thrills over what Beth Moore has taught me about this subject which is so dear to my heart. She asks, “Why do we HAVE to be color-BLIND? Why can’t we just be color-BLESSED?” Because every single one of us is a different shade of some color…and if we can start there as Believers and celebrate the ways we are alike as well as different, then perhaps we can teach our children well. Wonderful post!

  • Helen F

    I teach a college level class where I ask students to discuss how they came to know about different races and ethnicities. You would be surprised how many students talk about their parents as the source of their knowledge! Some will say it was never talked about, but I just knew I was not to date a person of a different _________. You fill in the blank, I have heard it. Then there are students who say, my home was filled with people from all walks of life, it is just how I was raised and I now realize that I enjoy and plan to live my life that way too! Sometimes it is not the words parents use but their actions that send the biggest message! So, while this is not a response to how you respond, my response to you is how are you living? Who are the people that are “invited in” to your son’s life? Into your home? Into your inner circle?

    • Rebecca Borger

      Helen, I bet that is a fascinating class. I agree, there are so many assumptions that I grew up with based on how my parents acted (and to a lesser degree, spoke). For example, we knew a few black families from church. I watched my parents make an effort to be friends with each of these families, but could feel their awkwardness as they did so. It sent the message to me that differences were a little scary. I wish they could have done more, but I also now respect their efforts more, as I appreciate what they stepped beyond: childhoods in the small-town South of the 60s. 
      You asked how I am living. I have one close friend who is half black, half Latino. She is married to a man who is half black, half white. Our kids are playing together tomorrow. But beyond her, most of the other diversity in my life came from my friends from work, which was a very diverse place. It was an office that intentionally cultivated and celebrated diversity of all kinds. I loved it. But I didn’t bring my work friends home and haven’t stayed in touch since resigning to stay at home. To respond to your implication, I know my son can’t learn about diversity very well if he isn’t exposed to it! This is the area that I need to work on the most. I can talk my head off about loving and appreciating others and their differences, but what does that mean if he never sees it in action?

      • http://www.transitiontovictory.blogspot.com/ Trinity

        So true – it’s one thing to “talk the talk” , but it’s altogether different to “walk the walk”.

  • http://causerie.typepad.com/ Dina N.

    Rebecca, your son “consistently points out the brown people”.  I’m wondering what he says about the skin tones of Latinos or Asians? (Or does he even notice?) And I love our answer because it’s the truth.  If God wanted everyone to look the same, He certainly could have pulled that off. I’m reminded of that line in the Color Purple (“…I think it must piss God off to walk by a field of purple and not notice…”) 

    • Rebecca Borger

      Yes, Dina, I almost noted that. His observations of “brown” people do include Latinos and Asians. Isn’t it wonderful how children remind us of God’s intentionality in creating differences and of the beauty in that?

  • http://togetherforgood.wordpress.com/ Erin

    I haven’t read the comments yet (I will), but I’m white and so is my whole family, so I’m definitely not an expert on this subject. I have treated it in the same way– when my daughter (she is three) mentions it I tell her that it is beautiful that God made us all so different. I tell her that her skin is peach. With my older boys, we talk about what a boring world it would be if all of us looked the same. I tell my sons that the God who made them to want to paint big, colorful paintings created a big, colorful world full of colorful people, and that it was just Him showing off how cool and creative He is. And I don’t know if it’s the right answer, but it’s the best one I have right now. :)

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mary-Gemmill/1163590149 Mary Gemmill

    Someone once answered a child’s question about people of different races being different or not with this analogy: she asked her child to get a red apple and a green apple. She peeled them both and asked her child to tell her which was which.he couldn’t.

    Love this conversation as I work with teens in a high school who are interested in the race issue in USA and South Africa as although we have native people in New Zealand where I live, everyone has always been treated as equal.

    I will be reading more of your posts on this topic- thank you.

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  • http://www.gabbingwithgrace.com/ Grace at {Gabbing with Grace}

    I think the way you answered was perfect.  As a biracial woman identifying as black, raising two kids identifying as white we’ve had many interesting discussions & we say something very similar to what you are: acknowledging differences, celebrating differences no matter how big or small, including helpful “props” like dolls, magazines & books of diversity & not making it a weird subject to talk about, but something natural and another aspect of God’s creativeness & humor in making humans at all. =)

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